True Shanghai fighting knife,  
   and many fakes!!!!

                                                               

Text by by
 O. Janson
An excellent book by Prof. Kelly Yeaton

 

Special honour should be given to Robert Wilkinson Latham and Ron Flook.

updated 2013-02-10


 

INDEX

Forming of Commandos
The Shanghai fighting knives
1st Pattern F-S Fighting knife
2nd Pattern F-S Fighting knife
2nd Pattern F-S Fighting Private Purchase knife
2nd Pattern F-S Fighting w/o Wilkinson trademark.like B2, Fat Man, Reverse Knurling
3rd Pattern F-S Fighting knife
Beaded & Ringed - Roped & Ringed

Steel hilt and Different hilts

Wood handles.

US Marine Raider Stiletto OSS - Stiletto w.'Pancake Flapper' and

Odd knives

Three Indian F-S Commando Knives

Sheaths
Marks
UK Commando knives; Postwar production

 

Pre-FS, Test FS knives and John Paisley knives.

Pre FS knives made from bayonet M1888 or M1903
About John Paisley and his knives

 

Pre-FS, Test FS knives

This is a so called Pre-FS fighting knife. The blade comes from a British M1888 bayonet. This knife was put together during the 1950:s.

 

 

Wilkinson sword employees have stated that they never made any Pre-FS knives like this knife. They say that it would have been easier to make a new knife instead of changing an old bayonet.

Wilkinson Sword never marked their knives with WSC!

 

 

There are also a number of so called Pre-FS knives out there which are sold on Internet and fairs. They are all claimed to be made from British 1888 or 1903 bayonets. If you study the construction of the bayonet's grip you will understand that such a construction is not suitable for a fighting knife.

My recommendation: Keep far away from all of them!

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About John Paisley and his knives.

There are also some knives claimed to be made by John Paisley.

The well known author and collector John Flook has made throughout research on the subject and this person. He has come to following conclusion:

There are no proofs what so ever that he ever made any knives or even that such a person existed.

You will find one of Ron Flook's articles here: http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/flook.htm

       

My recommendation: Keep far away from all of them!

Quote from Ron Flook's article:

It has not however been possible to authenticate this photo as being of John Paisley though it does show a man of about 50 years of age standing in front of a large forge.

 

Here is a knife claimed to be made by John Paisley.

 

Here another knife also claimed to be made by John Paisley.

Please not the post-war way of inscribing J.P.

 

 

 

 

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BACK TO SHANGHAI KNIVES

 

Forming of Commandos
The Shanghai fighting knives
 

There are three basic modells of the F-S fighting knife.

1st Pattern F-S Fighting knife
2nd Pattern F-S Fighting knife
2nd Pattern F-S Fighting Private Purchase knife
2nd Pattern F-S Fighting w/o Wilkinson trademark.
like B2, Fat Man, Reverse Knurling
3rd Pattern F-S Fighting knife
Beaded & Ringed - Roped & Ringed

Steel hilt and Different hilts

Wood handles.

OSS - Stiletto w.'Pancake Flapper' and
US Marine Raider Stiletto

Three Indian F-S Commando Knives

Odd knives

Sheaths
Marks
UK Commando knives; Postwar production

 

The Stalingrad Sword made by Wilkinson Sword.

 

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References:

Robert Wilkinson Latham His own web site
Alan W. Locken Commando 1940 - 1945
Robert A. Burlein Allied Military Fightingknives
Ron Flook British and Commonwealth military knives.
Fredrick J. Stephens Fighting Knives
Frank Trzaska The O.S.S. Stiletto - Knife World February 1998.
Frank Trzaska The Raider Stiletto - Knife World July 1997
Kelly Yeaton The First Commando Knives.
John Nowhill & son Sheffield
Michigan knives  
Dr. William Windrum  The earliest commando knivesAllan W. Locken Commando 1940 - 1945.